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good morning for Philadelphia Frank here

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and James come in from Westchester New

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York and this is a UFO News Network

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Sunday coming to you on a Wednesday

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because syncing up schedules with

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Australia can be a little bit

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problematic and all the way from

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Australia we've got the man of the hour

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man getting a lot of attention over some

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new information he's turning up

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regarding the UFOs and the recent UFO

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Pentagon study the UFO pentagon study

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formerly known as a tip is apparently

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operated under a different name or a

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different overarching name and that's

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caused a lot of confusion and the man

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himself Paul Dehn is here to help clear

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all this up for us good morning Paul or

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good evening to you

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yeah it's it's uh it's like he yeah so I

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mean on the east coast of Australia so

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you've gotten a lot of attention about

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all this with good reason this is quite

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a little revelation

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why don't you clue all our listeners in

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and tell us what the heck is going on

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with this name confusion how much

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attention this has got no I didn't think

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it was that newsworthy really but so

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okay obviously last year we the world

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was learned we learned that that the

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Defense Intelligence Agency dia had had

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been running a five year five year

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duration program for the UFO case

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analysis investigation evaluation report

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writing maybe some conclusions

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whatever headed up by this Louis

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Elizondo and the New York Times had

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quoted IAT IP as the name now advanced

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errors by advanced aerospace threat

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identification program and we we had

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come to know this is I mean the the DoD

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themselves did confirm it in a very

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brief statement and I had wondered if it

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was just possible I think I thought many

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I'm sure other people had wanted this if

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if that was the true

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name but I mean cause often programs

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will projects have a code attached to

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them too and you know there's always

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gonna be more information and so anyway

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I didn't think much about it and and

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everyone submitted FOI requests from

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FOI requests including myself to the to

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the DIA the FOI desk to the office of

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the Secretary of Defense which are

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stakeholders in military programs and

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and I assume people I didn't myself but

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I assumed people had submitted if I were

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a request to the United States Navy

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because some of the videos that had been

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released that purport to show UFOs were

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of naval Providence of carriers and so

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anyway in um in March which is what a

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eventually was able to talk to on the

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phone four times and he he's in the he's

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he's in the Defense Department and he's

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at headquarters at the Pentagon and he

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told he asked me if I wanted to look at

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a slightly different angle for all this

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and he indicated to me that IA to IP was

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not the correct word like formal name of

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the program and that that the IAO that

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something that had been tacked on to a

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larger program and and it was a little

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bit less formal and I didn't you know I

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didn't know what to think about this you

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know like you get these so-called

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insiders and and but he gave me a name

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so he said I would like you to if you

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would be interested to start Freedom of

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Information Act requesting documents for

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something called the advanced aerospace

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request to the Defense Intelligence

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on mission statements or program

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briefs etc for this a AWS AP or advanced

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program and I got the normal reply my

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from at that high from massive agency I

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a multi billion dollar budget maybe

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that's not a lot but you know to me for

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be a big weight anyway so I got the

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reply and that was fine and then my

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contact in the in the Pentagon told me

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that I might wish to also try the the

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office of the secretary of defense and

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joint staff and he said that that they

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the office of secretary George chiefs of

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staff for a program like this a program

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like this that like as I said he stated

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that ia that a table I say I pay was was

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secretaries like the secretary for

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acquisition technology and logistics and

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intelligence and he said there may be

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stakeholder documents or auditing

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documents etc there again I didn't know

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secretary of defense to search various

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undersecretary records and they came

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back with the same and so that this time

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figure of that my request was in a queue

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of 2283 requests and that won't be going

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recently a Swedish researcher with the

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researcher roger glozell or Glassell

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with Kurt Collins who's in Mississippi I

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like a like a report of sorts on um Kirk

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think it's called and um and eNOS they

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possibility that those three videos were

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be released using paperwork called a DD

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of a pre-publication security review

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coast-to-coast interview with George

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dapple something and but closel had done

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some inquiries with the Pentagon with

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public relations desks and he had he had

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he had found that that the the Pentagon

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Elizondo or anyone had he had used the

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Dobbs sir form one way 19:10 documents

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to release these videos so there was

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Roger glasses put a put up put a report

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associated with IAT IP and anyway these

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Austin Texas of the name of it I can't

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recall off the top of my head and of

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course is associated with to the Stars

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Academy as well so he's still involved

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that these two publications were

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available online and he um he knows it

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noted that these two publications that

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DI is a defense warning office and the

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dir of course is where I eighty IP was

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the advanced aerospace sorry the the

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advanced aerospace weapons system

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application program and I saw this and I

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thought holy hell because and anyway I

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went to these publications there's Eric

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their 2009 documents it says this

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will publicize is a product in a series

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of advanced technology reports produced

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officers advanced aerospace weapon

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system application AWS a program it was

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Pentagon had told me obviously you can't

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ignore it now my first reaction was to

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think hold on okay how long have these

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been online bla bla bla bla bla but the

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God been speaking to he certainly I

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checked him out I was able to verify

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that he did exist

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and it wasn't a troll or seller a

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scammer anyway I I decided well okay so

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partially public this name has come up I

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couldn't find it anywhere this is AP I

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hadn't been able to find it on Google or

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anything and he's and and I explained

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about this blog by Kirk horns and Roger

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grizzle and he he

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said I said what am i doing now and he

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I'm not involved do what you want so I

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decided to write a blog about it and and

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that's that's basically what's happened

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the I did ask him one thing as I said um

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Kurt and Roger were a particularly Roger

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were were indicating that they just did

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not feel that Elizondo had had had these

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videos released by the dots a review

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agency with form 1910 and I asked him

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that specifically I specifically said it

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what's the problem here and he said I he

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said I guarantee they were released via

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those form 1910s however corners were

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cut and public affairs who helped

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release records public affairs we're not

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involved and they should have been and

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then noses are out of joint that's what

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he said that's all I can I mean I'm

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going on

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you know manin all this is all very good

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but until like you know the New York

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the there is no I just don't believe

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there is any way that the entire thing I

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mean Elizondo has I feel been pretty

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aboveboard like like I think this

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program where that like basically the

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bottom line is what I was told isn't

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what it appears now is that the advanced

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aerospace threat identification program

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iha IP was was a was a slightly ad hoc

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time I don't think I us AP started out

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we say ten sub programs all on the same

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day like I think this developed over

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time and yeah it's I'm was surprised

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about the coverage I wish I know I

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actually you know until until we get

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until we get some kind of confirmation

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from the Pentagon's public affairs

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people or from maybe even the Navy you

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know like this is this story will just

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twist and turn and and that's fine but

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but there's so much other cool stuff we

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can be doing

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um you know so that's that's basically

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what happened

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got it and is this named discovery

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you're going to well you're still on a

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long queue regardless and maybe even a

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longer queue now that the the lawyers

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coming in yeah I mean everyone's

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originally if I were I request with a a

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type a documentation within the DIA or

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maybe the Navy or maybe the OSD J yes

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but but nail that well I submitted I

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mean as soon as I found out about this

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from this person I submitted if it like

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I said FOI request the DIA and the OSD J

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is and that I mean I we'd already

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everyone had already submitted fi was

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about a eighty I pay in December January

303
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February and and now it's it's just

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possible that that that we we all have

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to start again and so I started again

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and I mean I would have told I'm not a I

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would have told everyone the time I was

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told not to and it's the fact that he

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knows was real so yeah I don't know this

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is just gonna be slow either way ia

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Taipei AWS I don't know SOP like it's

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going to take so long like like I cannot

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believe it amazes me that that it can

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take for organizations that are so

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well-funded

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that they're foi departments are so

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under-resourced and apparently so

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underfunded there's just one scandal

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after another week those ever the foi

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system in in the United States is

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failing like you know I know that

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central comer says that US CENTCOM which

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is a unified combatant command they

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barely responds FOI requests at all like

325
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even to acknowledge them so you can send

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them one and it just goes into a black

327
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hole and you know like there's been some

328
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there's been some real scandals and I

329
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don't know I don't know how they're

330
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gonna fix it because it just seems to be

331
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endemic I was told some people might

332
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know a nautical Geoffrey T Richardson

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who wrote very very groundbreaking books

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about the US intelligence community

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particularly focusing on space borne

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satellites like defense reconnaissance

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ground ground intercept stations etc and

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he said he III he unfortunately I was

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quite surprised he died recently and

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I I had spoken to him early last year

341
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and he gave me a list essentially of

342
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because he was a very significant foi

343
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requester he had an entire staff and and

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he with the National Security Archive

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organizations civilian organization and

346
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he actually told he gave me a list of

347
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the worst foi offenders and

348
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unfortunately some of them are the very

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people we need by States Navy's Atlantic

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command and and United States Air Force

351
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the Secretary of the Air Force and he

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told me the best ones he said some of

353
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the army agencies some of the Army Major

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commands are very good and a u.s.

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Stratcom which is US Strategic Command

356
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is very good and that's important for us

357
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because they oversee functionality and

358
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operations of Air Force Space Command

359
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Navy Space Command etc but there is such

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a long list of agencies and officers in

361
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your country that are simply tearing up

362
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if I were a requests or wait I mean one

363
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FOI request I know recently involving

364
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the CIA it was by a researcher called

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Keith Chester who wrote a book called

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strange company about Foo Fighters and

367
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he actually couldn't believe it he got a

368
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letter a while back last year he got a

369
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letter from the CIA

370
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I'd have been from the National Archives

371
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on behalf of the CIA but anyway it was

372
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for an effort it was a reply to an FOI

373
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request that he submitted ten years ago

374
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look look he actually forgot me

375
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rewritten the book it's no point imagine

376
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if you're writing a book or doing a

377
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thesis or a dissertation and you you got

378
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FOI requests there and you've got away

379
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ten years like you'd be 50 before you

380
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could publish the thing it's just it's

381
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just ridiculous like yeah I don't know

382
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like it's just filing you know God well

383
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you have had some tremendous luck with

384
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the four-year requests especially you're

385
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generating a lot of information

386
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regarding a prep and NORAD so I wanted

387
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to tell us a little bit about why you

388
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were able to have success with them and

389
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what kind of success did you have let me

390
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just interject and say everybody

391
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listening all these links that we're

392
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talking about will be in description so

393
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check the description and a link will be

394
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available to you go ahead Paul sorry yes

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so I mean I okay so we'll tip - yeah we

396
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have we when I say we there's a British

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researcher I work with called David

398
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Carmichael and I wouldn't well we've had

399
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success we've had some success with FOI

400
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,400
requests in the modern era in rolling

401
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NORAD Air Force Space Command US

402
00:19:07,890 --> 00:19:05,559
Strategic Command regarding unknown

403
00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:07,900
tracks like objects that are picked up

404
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,230
by radar that don't conform to anything

405
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NORAD remaining unknowns which are

406
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unknown tracks that stay unknown for

407
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more than five minutes and and then

408
00:19:22,169 --> 00:19:19,230
vanish odd tracks hostile pending tracks

409
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the reporting of unusual events over

410
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bases so on we've had we've had some

411
00:19:29,850 --> 00:19:27,220
success but the real that what happened

412
00:19:33,779 --> 00:19:29,860
was when I when I was studying the UFO

413
00:19:37,409 --> 00:19:33,789
phenomena you know for whatever it is in

414
00:19:39,810 --> 00:19:37,419
over the years I I one of the most

415
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:39,820
influential books I think in history is

416
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:45,039
a 1984 book called clear intent it was

417
00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:49,090
republished as the UFO cover-up in the

418
00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:51,190
90s but clear intent was written by a

419
00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:53,320
Barry Greenwood and a Lawrence Fawcett

420
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:56,500
and what actually happened was was in in

421
00:20:03,419 --> 00:19:59,520
the when Project Blue Book closed in

422
00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:03,429
1969 that was considered by many you

423
00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:05,080
know journalists science people

424
00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:07,929
military officials cops whatever it was

425
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,809
sort of like the final word it was it

426
00:20:14,610 --> 00:20:12,880
was treated as if to say government

427
00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:14,620
agencies are not stressing about this

428
00:20:17,149 --> 00:20:16,270
UFO stuff anymore there's nothing out

429
00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:17,159
there really

430
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:20,049
we're not collating reports we're not

431
00:20:25,169 --> 00:20:22,330
investigating we're not you know we're

432
00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:25,179
not discussing UFO researchers anymore

433
00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:27,190
it's all bunk it's a waste of time that

434
00:20:33,570 --> 00:20:31,270
was 1969 so what happened was a group of

435
00:20:35,610 --> 00:20:33,580
researchers including Barry Greenwood

436
00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:35,620
Lawrence Fawcett and particularly

437
00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:39,190
another chap called Robert Todd he died

438
00:20:43,889 --> 00:20:41,350
sadly about nine years ago but Robert

439
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:43,899
Todd date between those three and a few

440
00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:46,690
others Larry Brian Todd Circle and Brad

441
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:51,070
sparks etc they from really from 1973-74

442
00:20:57,450 --> 00:20:53,610
really to the 90s they absolutely

443
00:20:57,860 --> 00:20:57,460
flooded they flooded the now remember

444
00:20:59,600 --> 00:20:57,870
all this

445
00:21:01,370 --> 00:20:59,610
pre-internet so getting information out

446
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:01,380
and sharing information is very hard

447
00:21:05,299 --> 00:21:03,450
it's done by newsletters and and I mean

448
00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:05,309
even people didn't even have faxes in

449
00:21:11,049 --> 00:21:07,590
photo copiers was something you had at

450
00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:11,059
work if you were lucky and so but but

451
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,820
these guys they flooded the they flooded

452
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:17,760
its they flooded government agencies

453
00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:22,890
with FOI requests for UFO reports like

454
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:25,710
directors logs air traffic control logs

455
00:21:34,130 --> 00:21:29,010
you know battalion records incident

456
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:34,140
reports memoranda x' you know old copies

457
00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:36,510
of public statements maybe biographies

458
00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:39,030
of certain generals or admirals who have

459
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:42,510
been previously involved in UFO you know

460
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:45,030
work or whatever they they really from

461
00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:48,480
74 to in the 90s Barry Greenwood Robert

462
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:51,809
Todd etc they flooded US agencies with

463
00:21:59,299 --> 00:21:54,080
with FOI requests from right from

464
00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:59,309
squadron level or Brigade level in Air

465
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:01,320
Force and Army through to you know the

466
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:04,890
Coast Guard there is the three-letter

467
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:08,370
agencies like the FBI CIA etc but what

468
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,130
was most interesting was Robert Todd

469
00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:13,200
particularly but but all of them they

470
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:16,740
actually started hitting NORAD NORAD

471
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NORAD for for those that don't know

472
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:22,260
NORAD is nor it stands for North

473
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American Aerospace Defense Command and

474
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they are the premier like premier agency

475
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:31,080
it's a bi-national agency between the

476
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:32,850
United States and Canada they're the

477
00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:34,770
premier agency and right near their

478
00:22:39,290 --> 00:22:36,870
factsheet says and it's always been like

479
00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:39,300
this they are charged with the missions

480
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:41,670
of aerospace warning and aerospace

481
00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:43,860
control for North America aerospace

482
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:45,350
warning includes the detection

483
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:48,090
validation and warning of attack against

484
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,280
North America whether by aircraft

485
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,960
missiles or space vehicles through

486
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mutual agreements blah blah blah

487
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:57,059
aerospace control includes ensuring air

488
00:23:00,980 --> 00:22:58,650
sovereignty and air defense of the

489
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airspace of Canada and the United States

490
00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:05,010
so put simply NORAD uses their own radar

491
00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:07,740
systems plus US Air Force radar systems

492
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:10,470
a myriad of primary radar tracking

493
00:23:14,879 --> 00:23:11,200
networks

494
00:23:16,980 --> 00:23:14,889
prynt types of radar - - to build up

495
00:23:19,289 --> 00:23:16,990
like an integrated and recognized air

496
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:19,299
and aerospace picture across North

497
00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:21,250
America even out into space although

498
00:23:24,899 --> 00:23:23,080
that's really US Strategic Command that

499
00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:24,909
does space tracking and space

500
00:23:28,139 --> 00:23:26,740
surveillance but NORAD is very much part

501
00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:28,149
of it particularly the missile warning

502
00:23:35,509 --> 00:23:31,960
center at NORAD anyway so so as the

503
00:23:39,149 --> 00:23:35,519
years went on it was quite clear that

504
00:23:40,529 --> 00:23:39,159
the that one of the best agencies other

505
00:23:42,899 --> 00:23:40,539
than maybe the United States Air Force

506
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:42,909
one of the best government agencies to

507
00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:45,610
be hounding and corresponding with and

508
00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:47,710
sending if I was to had to be NORAD the

509
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,990
nor a Directorate of operations the

510
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:52,000
NORAD Directorate of intelligence NORAD

511
00:23:57,330 --> 00:23:54,130
headquarters the NORAD sector

512
00:24:00,690 --> 00:23:57,340
headquarters in like you know Phoenix or

513
00:24:03,330 --> 00:24:00,700
New York or whatever and so Robert Todd

514
00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:03,340
and Barry Greenwood were flooding NORAD

515
00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:06,100
with FOI requests and they actually got

516
00:24:10,860 --> 00:24:08,169
a very very large number of documents

517
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:10,870
out a very large number and sometimes

518
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:13,360
the actual foi reply letters themselves

519
00:24:19,159 --> 00:24:16,330
were just as interesting as a document

520
00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:19,169
here's the problem though

521
00:24:24,389 --> 00:24:22,360
robert's hard particularly and barry and

522
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:24,399
others they simply could not get all

523
00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:26,529
this material out to the UFO community

524
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:29,080
date there was a that they had the book

525
00:24:36,659 --> 00:24:32,880
clear intent which had three chapters on

526
00:24:39,509 --> 00:24:36,669
that that relates to NORAD and then and

527
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:39,519
then one chapter that relates directly

528
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:41,710
about NORAD and then there was a

529
00:24:46,110 --> 00:24:43,690
magazine they were called just cause

530
00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:46,120
that went from well there was just calls

531
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:47,320
in the seventies and there was another

532
00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:49,809
guise of it in the in the 80s and 90s

533
00:24:57,210 --> 00:24:53,470
but they simply Robert Todd sent so many

534
00:25:00,120 --> 00:24:57,220
FOI requests to NORAD and so he had so

535
00:25:01,889 --> 00:25:00,130
many replies and documents come out and

536
00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:01,899
then others involving National Military

537
00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:03,700
Command sent her and the Strategic Air

538
00:25:08,610 --> 00:25:05,230
Command and so on they just could not

539
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:08,620
get this material out anyway I've been

540
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:10,690
going through it with Barry Barry has

541
00:25:14,610 --> 00:25:12,730
got all this he's got his own if I war

542
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:14,620
requests and replies plus Robert Todd's

543
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:18,309
now the this is so we've got all this

544
00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:21,530
material from the 70s early 80s and 90s

545
00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:23,720
and there's some really stunning stuff

546
00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:26,150
in there now when I was studying the UFO

547
00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:27,470
matter

548
00:25:32,380 --> 00:25:29,630
I realized myself it was plainly obvious

549
00:25:36,580 --> 00:25:32,390
that NORAD would be like I said one of

550
00:25:40,780 --> 00:25:36,590
the best agencies to deal with and so I

551
00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:40,790
started focusing on I suppose I started

552
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:43,670
focusing on on old documents and old

553
00:25:49,690 --> 00:25:45,890
NORAD history related to the UFO matter

554
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:49,700
and as well as you know what I could do

555
00:25:57,010 --> 00:25:52,910
currently and what's really odd about it

556
00:25:58,270 --> 00:25:57,020
is is that is that NORAD NORAD and and

557
00:26:00,040 --> 00:25:58,280
there was another agency called

558
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:00,050
Aerospace Defense Command which was

559
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:01,970
similar to NORAD but they only defended

560
00:26:08,890 --> 00:26:03,530
the continental United States

561
00:26:11,650 --> 00:26:08,900
anyway they NORAD an ad car NORAD an ad

562
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:11,660
comm over the years had put out have put

563
00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:14,210
out statements in letters and in little

564
00:26:19,690 --> 00:26:16,430
press conferences and so on which are

565
00:26:22,030 --> 00:26:19,700
soda monstrously it's monstrously false

566
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:22,040
that it is hard that they could keep a

567
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:24,590
straight face what we've got what I'm

568
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:26,090
saying is what we've got in the form of

569
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:28,490
documentation compared to what they've

570
00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:31,910
said publicly is a 180 degree flip and

571
00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:35,950
I'll give you a few examples okay

572
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:39,320
on the 10th of November 1975 a colonel

573
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:41,330
Terrence C James who was at NORAD

574
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:43,310
headquarters at inter Air Force Base

575
00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:46,850
he told Robert Todd and I quote this

576
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:49,220
command has no present activity in

577
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:51,770
investigating UFOs nor does any other

578
00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:53,690
area of the United States government

579
00:27:02,370 --> 00:26:54,500
that I'm aware of

580
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,380
okay now on the 28th of November 1975 a

581
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:05,120
another letter was sent from a NORAD

582
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:06,770
sector headquarters I think it was Nora

583
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:09,440
21st Ridge and to Robert Todd and it

584
00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:13,730
simply said we do not and we do not

585
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:15,680
understand undertake investigative

586
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:17,450
measures our interests are satisfied in

587
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:19,190
near real-time and no formal

588
00:27:27,370 --> 00:27:21,590
documentation is created by this command

589
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:27,380
okay okay April 25th 1988 ìletís who our

590
00:27:32,910 --> 00:27:29,510
researcher dr. Armand Victorian who was

591
00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:32,920
an oddball Iranian national in the UK

592
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:35,080
it was from a the Directorate of Public

593
00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:37,570
Affairs it was from NORAD's Public

594
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:39,070
Affairs Office Lieutenant Colonel Roger

595
00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:42,430
I penal he stated to armand victorian

596
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:44,230
thank you for your recent letter

597
00:27:49,140 --> 00:27:45,970
requesting information on unidentified

598
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:49,150
flying objects unfortunately we have not

599
00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:50,890
recently released any information

600
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,230
concerning UFOs nor where do we keep any

601
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:56,320
information on file although we do not

602
00:27:59,610 --> 00:27:58,210
have any information on ufos you may

603
00:28:01,530 --> 00:27:59,620
want to write to the following address

604
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:01,540
and they might be able to assist you and

605
00:28:06,150 --> 00:28:03,310
the following address was MUFON

606
00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:06,160
headquarters in California ok another

607
00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:08,620
example let's go right back 1966 Major

608
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:12,400
General McGee who was NORAD chief of

609
00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:15,640
staff at the time he told a Republican

610
00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:18,670
representative James be us if I can read

611
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:20,860
that right for your information it was

612
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:23,170
this was about the Heflin photos for

613
00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:25,270
your information NORAD does not have the

614
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:27,160
responsibility for the evaluation of

615
00:28:31,770 --> 00:28:29,650
UFOs and therefore would not knowingly

616
00:28:34,410 --> 00:28:31,780
be in the business of collecting UFO

617
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:34,420
pictures for evaluation now I could sit

618
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:39,760
here for an hour reading these NORAD

619
00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:42,430
generated statements these anti UFO

620
00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:44,560
public relations statements some of them

621
00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:46,360
aren't just coming from a public affairs

622
00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:47,500
day some of them are coming from

623
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:49,870
aerospace warning officers missile

624
00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:52,330
defense branches and so on look it's

625
00:28:59,010 --> 00:28:56,020
fairly rich to be a colonel or a

626
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,020
major-general and be putting something

627
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:00,880
in writing that everyone can see signing

628
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:03,130
it as well and sending it to journalists

629
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:05,050
or members of the public if it's bogus

630
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:10,960
lies and I'll give you some examples of

631
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,130
why why I I thought that this was worth

632
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:16,720
looking into

633
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:19,330
like I said approach a project Bluebook

634
00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:22,810
finished in 1969 and so that means the

635
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:25,800
US Air Force are out of the UFO game

636
00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:29,950
sort of that NORAD were never in a UFO

637
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:35,620
game they would say that's that anyway

638
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:41,830
so that's 1969 as early as 1970 right

639
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:43,900
which is immediately after the close of

640
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:51,070
there was a letter written between from

641
00:29:58,299 --> 00:29:53,450
well arete a letter written from george

642
00:30:00,340 --> 00:29:58,309
early who was with NICAP the UFO group

643
00:30:02,650 --> 00:30:00,350
and it was to the Department of the Air

644
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:02,660
Force and it was a it was a letter

645
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:04,250
written from the Department of Air Force

646
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:07,850
to George early it was it's dated May 26

647
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:11,809
1917 and early had inquired about what

648
00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:13,580
which government agency now which which

649
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:16,070
military agency would be responsible for

650
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:18,650
investigating UFO reports since Bluebook

651
00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:22,130
had closed right now you would think

652
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:23,870
that he would get a reply saying there

653
00:30:28,540 --> 00:30:27,080
is no agency now in the you know go back

654
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:28,550
to the end of Project Blue Book

655
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:30,110
statements with the secretary of the Air

656
00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:32,120
Force there is no I you would think that

657
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:34,160
that early would be told there is no

658
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:36,290
agency now you know except maybe the

659
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:37,970
local airport or something that would

660
00:30:42,130 --> 00:30:40,010
investigate or actually callate or

661
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:42,140
collect UFO reports or deal with it

662
00:30:49,930 --> 00:30:44,210
seriously or both national security

663
00:30:52,390 --> 00:30:49,940
whatever anyway so so the Air Force the

664
00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:52,400
Air Force some therefore send early back

665
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:54,020
a letter it was actually Colonel we're

666
00:31:00,419 --> 00:30:57,050
gonna take Holmen and the letter stated

667
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:00,429
this the Aerospace Defense Command is

668
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:03,530
responsible for unknown aerial phenomena

669
00:31:08,730 --> 00:31:06,410
reported in any manner and the

670
00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:08,740
provisions of joint Army Navy Air Force

671
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:12,470
publication 146 provides for the

672
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:15,650
processing of reports now just in not

673
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:18,050
just you know for starters has two

674
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:18,980
things going on here

675
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:22,130
one the United States Air Force now like

676
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:24,110
I said this this says this letter says

677
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:25,850
the Aerospace Defense Command is

678
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:28,070
responsible for unknown aerial phenomena

679
00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:31,490
right now the air defense command is a

680
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:32,900
Moute was it was a major command of

681
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:34,370
United States Air Force number one

682
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:36,710
number two the Eider Aerospace Defense

683
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:40,190
Command was formally combined with NORAD

684
00:31:44,049 --> 00:31:41,929
right so it's like one big happy family

685
00:31:47,410 --> 00:31:44,059
so we're we're looking at a situation

686
00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:47,420
where NORAD had consistently said since

687
00:31:52,180 --> 00:31:50,270
the 50s they do not do UFOs that's

688
00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:52,190
someone else's problem it's not ours we

689
00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:54,800
do not use the term UFO we do not blah

690
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:57,260
blah blah so now but Dennis earliest

691
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,610
1970 you've got

692
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:00,320
you've got the Air Force saying that

693
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:02,090
Aerospace Defense Command is responsible

694
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:04,129
for UFOs and like I said Aerospace

695
00:32:07,989 --> 00:32:05,570
Defense Command is within the Air Force

696
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:07,999
and it's heavily related in fact they

697
00:32:13,899 --> 00:32:11,480
were based era sad well IDC Aerospace

698
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:13,909
Defense Command were located at the same

699
00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:16,960
bases NORAD headquarters or sort of and

700
00:32:23,259 --> 00:32:21,470
so this is this is like so you read that

701
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,269
that's from 1970 now it was it just a

702
00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:24,799
case of one hand not talking to the

703
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:27,950
other you know ok that would be fine if

704
00:32:31,989 --> 00:32:29,919
it was just one or two examples I'll

705
00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:31,999
give you another example right now

706
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:34,070
remembered like I said NORAD have no

707
00:32:40,989 --> 00:32:36,769
interest in UFOs right there's a 10th of

708
00:32:42,909 --> 00:32:40,999
April 1964 message that was found in US

709
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:42,919
Air Force records and at some it

710
00:32:47,769 --> 00:32:45,289
summarizes the contents of some previous

711
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,779
information that was moving around Air

712
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,519
Force Headquarters and the National

713
00:32:52,869 --> 00:32:51,200
Military Command Center anyway in that

714
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:52,879
this this little document it's a half

715
00:32:57,999 --> 00:32:55,279
page document and it says in the subject

716
00:33:00,879 --> 00:32:58,009
line it says quite seriously it says

717
00:33:03,489 --> 00:33:00,889
unidentified flying objects an under

718
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,499
under underneath that there's two other

719
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:05,600
there's two others short short sentences

720
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,110
and it says National Military Command

721
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,600
Center and NORAD advised that there were

722
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:13,279
six to twelve unidentified flying

723
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:15,470
objects at 30 miles east of Merced

724
00:33:20,889 --> 00:33:17,809
California radar picked up twelve

725
00:33:24,009 --> 00:33:20,899
objects at altitudes of 60,000 to 90,000

726
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:24,019
feet and even higher elevations f-106

727
00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:25,970
combat aircraft was scrambled at Athol

728
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:28,340
Air Force Base there were no results

729
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:29,690
because of high altitudes they're

730
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:31,490
checking the possibility of sending you

731
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:34,460
to spy planes then underneath that it

732
00:33:42,129 --> 00:33:38,210
says objects were following a sixty mile

733
00:33:45,879 --> 00:33:42,139
racetrack pattern f-106 --is were flying

734
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:45,889
at night with one eye if 106's were

735
00:33:50,379 --> 00:33:47,830
flying near 90 thousand feet altitude

736
00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:50,389
pilots locked onto some of the objects

737
00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:52,820
but could not keep the lock NORAD said

738
00:33:57,820 --> 00:33:54,919
that they were sending two more then

739
00:34:01,119 --> 00:33:57,830
it's redacted blacked-out aircraft with

740
00:34:02,529 --> 00:34:01,129
pilots in pressure suits now like I said

741
00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:02,539
I mean this has got the term UFO

742
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:04,700
unidentified flying object and twice

743
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,609
NORAD is admitted and is stated like is

744
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:09,919
is actually referenced and this is from

745
00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:12,020
an agency that is simply

746
00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:13,460
completely staying mum they have no

747
00:34:19,649 --> 00:34:14,899
interest in UFOs they don't even use the

748
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:19,659
term apparently another example 1961

749
00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:23,440
this is from the 28th NORAD region in

750
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:26,300
California it's to a it's to a civilian

751
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:30,230
a civilian had sent in a UFO report to

752
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:32,570
NORAD it's very hard saving by even back

753
00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:33,290
then get Nora

754
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:35,480
NORAD regional headquarter addresses let

755
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:36,740
alone send something into them and get a

756
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,230
reply but anyway he got a reply from

757
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:41,200
Hamilton Air Force Base where the NORAD

758
00:34:47,110 --> 00:34:45,200
28th region was and it says we are very

759
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:47,120
appreciative of your interest and

760
00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:49,010
promptness in reporting a UFO

761
00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:51,710
each report received is processed

762
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:53,720
analyzed evaluated and investigated

763
00:34:56,830 --> 00:34:55,250
where appropriate in an attempt to

764
00:34:59,470 --> 00:34:56,840
identify the object blah blah blah

765
00:35:01,090 --> 00:34:59,480
although we are not permitted to make

766
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:01,100
public the results of our investigation

767
00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:04,220
unless society is of a spectacular

768
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,100
nature they continued vigilance and

769
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:09,440
interest in a person citing unusual

770
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:11,240
phenomena or objects is encouraged

771
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:12,890
lieutenant colonel

772
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:14,990
LJ Churchville director of information

773
00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:18,530
NORAD 2003 j'en now you might say ok

774
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:21,740
this is all very old ok this is like you

775
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:23,210
know this is around the time Blue Book

776
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:25,370
was winding up and maybe NORAD was

777
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:26,660
different back then let's fast-forward

778
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:29,750
to 1988 so this is nearly 20 years after

779
00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:32,570
the hope a closure of Project Blue Book

780
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:35,720
now this is really interesting this is

781
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:37,250
actually a Canadian document from

782
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:38,000
headquarters

783
00:35:43,450 --> 00:35:40,040
Claudia general the Canadian Forces

784
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:43,460
fighter group and at the top it says SS

785
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:48,860
Oh F see a s and that stands for special

786
00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:52,070
security office within the fighter

787
00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:53,720
control and aerospace surveillance

788
00:36:00,100 --> 00:35:57,400
section and this is what it says

789
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:00,110
reporting of atmospheric phenomena UFOs

790
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:03,530
/ meteors one section says the National

791
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:05,960
Defense Operations Center in do-si

792
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:09,320
Ottawa no longer chooses to receive UFO

793
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,200
reports hence the deletion of blah blah

794
00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:14,960
blah however these reports are still

795
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,700
required by all other addresses

796
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:19,520
previously listed these addresses are

797
00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:22,880
Air Command Operations Center Winnipeg

798
00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:26,830
Norwich Cheyenne Mountain complex Co j3y

799
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:32,860
f g HQ North Bay SS Oh intelligence and

800
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:35,690
blah blah blah

801
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:38,540
now you think there's this bunch of

802
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,430
acronyms you know like what can it all

803
00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:42,560
possibly mean it will it turns out that

804
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:44,870
three of them directly related to NORAD

805
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:47,870
because the Air Command Operations

806
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:49,910
Center in Winnipeg is passed they're

807
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:51,260
partially answerable to NORAD

808
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:54,170
headquarters in America the NORAD

809
00:37:00,100 --> 00:36:57,410
Cheyenne Mountain complex Co j3y was

810
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:00,110
well back then was NORAD's old alternate

811
00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:04,910
HQ at an Air Force Base and j-3 mains

812
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:06,830
threat reductions I don't know what the

813
00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:14,510
Y means now 3f g HQ north bay SS so int

814
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:17,120
means our fighter group headquarters at

815
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:19,250
North Bay which is a NORAD regional

816
00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:22,250
headquarters and the SSO as I said

817
00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:24,080
before is a special security office and

818
00:37:29,410 --> 00:37:26,840
would in torez men's intelligence so

819
00:37:33,490 --> 00:37:29,420
like you've got this is from 1988 now

820
00:37:37,660 --> 00:37:33,500
like this I could sit here and there is

821
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:37,670
so many there are so many it documents

822
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:41,990
like this that that I mean there's

823
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:44,890
another one here I've got that that is a

824
00:37:54,030 --> 00:37:47,570
I'm just looking for it here this is a

825
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:54,040
really interesting one this is from 1977

826
00:37:59,350 --> 00:37:57,050
there's as we know NORAD pick up weird

827
00:38:01,060 --> 00:37:59,360
stuff like planes that haven't got their

828
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:01,070
transponders on the odd balloon in these

829
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:03,710
days but the worst case scenario other

830
00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:05,210
than were all three the worst case

831
00:38:09,070 --> 00:38:06,590
scenario is probably a hijacked aircraft

832
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:09,080
or an aircraft in distress moving on

833
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:10,970
crate or whatever of course they pick up

834
00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:14,090
weird stuff they it's their job now

835
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:18,140
however the term you've got to remember

836
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:19,730
after Project Blue Book finish the term

837
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:21,650
UFO was what Billy Cox would call

838
00:38:26,410 --> 00:38:23,630
radioactive no one wanted to use it and

839
00:38:29,110 --> 00:38:26,420
as I've said NORAD's continued public

840
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:29,120
statements we don't use the term UFOs we

841
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:31,670
keep no formal documentation we haven't

842
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,250
used that term for years you'll have to

843
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:37,040
go somewhere else blah blah blah

844
00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:40,850
there there is a there was in 1970s a a

845
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:42,680
manual like a like a military

846
00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:45,470
instructional manual and it was a joint

847
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,380
manual between NORAD and Aerospace

848
00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:50,480
Defense Command addcom and it's actually

849
00:38:57,340 --> 00:38:54,080
called NORAD addcom manual 55 - 19

850
00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:57,350
volume 7 aerospace reporting system and

851
00:39:05,650 --> 00:39:00,700
it's got in there it's got a section

852
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:05,660
that's it's it's it's got a section I'm

853
00:39:09,850 --> 00:39:07,670
just trying to find here at section 15

854
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:09,860
and the section 15 is called

855
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:12,530
identification of air traffic anyway

856
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:16,970
within there there's a there's a there's

857
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:19,010
a section called purpose like what is

858
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:21,140
the purpose of the identification of air

859
00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:24,050
traffic ocean of air traffic section

860
00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:27,260
within this massive manual and in there

861
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:32,060
it says one subject and purpose it's

862
00:39:35,350 --> 00:39:33,710
actually discussing a report form that a

863
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:35,360
NORAD officer can fill in but it says

864
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:37,970
subjects and purpose this report form

865
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:41,210
provides the NORAD combat operations

866
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,090
center with additional data concerning

867
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:46,880
each track unknown track radar track

868
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:51,680
classified as unknown bracket to include

869
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:54,050
an unidentified flying object

870
00:40:00,460 --> 00:39:57,850
UFOs close bracket now is it not enough

871
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:00,470
when that term is is being denied

872
00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:03,920
constantly and it's so loaded and

873
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:06,620
radioactive anyway that but they you

874
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:10,010
know but in in ins classified doctrine

875
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:11,810
you've got this statement saying that

876
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:14,330
that unknown tracks that they sing like

877
00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:17,090
on radar systems can be reported on this

878
00:40:21,970 --> 00:40:18,820
particular form that they can fill out

879
00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:21,980
and it says here to include unidentified

880
00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:25,100
flying objects UFOs I mean how much

881
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:27,380
clearer can you get and this is from an

882
00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:32,480
agency that that has as can continued to

883
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:35,750
say things like as I stated this command

884
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,490
has no present activity investigating

885
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:40,160
UFOs or we do not undertake you know

886
00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:42,950
we've got no formal documentation about

887
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:45,950
UFOs we do not have any motion on UFOs

888
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:48,110
we do not knowingly click UFO

889
00:40:52,029 --> 00:40:50,390
information bla bla bla bla bla and you

890
00:40:55,930 --> 00:40:52,039
they've got this internal secret manual

891
00:40:58,269 --> 00:40:55,940
that eyes-only that that and I quote

892
00:41:02,259 --> 00:40:58,279
again unidentified flying objects UFOs

893
00:41:06,180 --> 00:41:02,269
so that's why I believe that the NORAD

894
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:06,190
angle is very very very important hmm

895
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:09,049
and of course NORAD you know that

896
00:41:14,589 --> 00:41:11,510
they've got the gear that's that's a big

897
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:14,599
part of that's their job they've got the

898
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:17,180
radar gear and radars physical evidence

899
00:41:23,019 --> 00:41:21,440
for these UFOs so I mean we call it a

900
00:41:24,579 --> 00:41:23,029
system of systems I mean they're tapped

901
00:41:27,450 --> 00:41:24,589
into the air the FAA s

902
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:27,460
the Federal Aviation Administration's

903
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:31,369
like what's it called SS its current

904
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:32,750
rule its call it's it's the massive

905
00:41:37,539 --> 00:41:35,210
integrated primary and secondary radar

906
00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:37,549
Network NORAD's integrated into that

907
00:41:43,690 --> 00:41:41,150
they they receive terabytes of raw data

908
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:43,700
every minute from FAA sites then NORAD

909
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:47,750
receives data from like the the coastal

910
00:41:52,769 --> 00:41:50,180
United States Air Force squadrons

911
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:52,779
particularly like Tyndall Air Force Base

912
00:41:59,410 --> 00:41:56,089
Elmendorf Air Force Base Los Angeles Air

913
00:42:01,299 --> 00:41:59,420
Force Base then NORAD also receive data

914
00:42:02,799 --> 00:42:01,309
from the missile warning squadrons which

915
00:42:06,759 --> 00:42:02,809
are assigned to Air Force Space Command

916
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,769
and so on it's it's they if there's one

917
00:42:11,049 --> 00:42:08,960
agency that would be picking up anything

918
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:11,059
really odd in our atmosphere

919
00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:14,150
it's definitely NORAD probably a more it

920
00:42:18,789 --> 00:42:17,180
sector or regional level like like at

921
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:18,799
the Regional Operations centers like

922
00:42:23,019 --> 00:42:20,930
right at the coalface with a air traffic

923
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:23,029
controllers or battle space controllers

924
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:25,130
and that battle space eros most

925
00:42:28,749 --> 00:42:26,990
specialists are actually staring at

926
00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:28,759
these screens I mean they have the

927
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,440
option to stare at screens and look at

928
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:32,960
everything up there that's above 40,000

929
00:42:36,999 --> 00:42:34,700
feet only or everything out there that's

930
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:37,009
under a certain altitude 20,000 feet day

931
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:39,710
they can they can they can tap with

932
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:41,210
their fingers I mean they can just tap

933
00:42:48,009 --> 00:42:44,750
on they can just tap on a contact and

934
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:48,019
and zoom right in on it to see possibly

935
00:42:52,509 --> 00:42:50,750
its mass precisely where it is right

936
00:42:55,809 --> 00:42:52,519
down to the nearest mile that sort of

937
00:43:00,009 --> 00:42:55,819
thing so that's why I believe it's

938
00:43:02,019 --> 00:43:00,019
important and the NORAD has actually

939
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:02,029
ruled that over the years NORAD has

940
00:43:07,390 --> 00:43:04,430
actually released quite a lot of

941
00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:07,400
commentation that is certainly telling

942
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:09,830
another another angle with this is like

943
00:43:15,490 --> 00:43:11,540
I was saying before well I don't know if

944
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:15,500
I mentioned this but when book when blue

945
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:19,280
book was actually closed a lot of

946
00:43:26,050 --> 00:43:24,110
readers will probably know this but I'm

947
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:26,060
just looking for it here when when blue

948
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:28,010
book was closed it was closed by the

949
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:32,000
secretary of the Air Force and and the

950
00:43:40,270 --> 00:43:37,670
the the about ten years later Robert

951
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:40,280
Todd the FOI researcher asked you know

952
00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:42,140
that I see United States Air Force four

953
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:44,620
copies like more copies of documents

954
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:47,150
involved in the closure of Project Blue

955
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:50,150
Book and the Secretary of the Air Force

956
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,370
actually sent him a rather extraordinary

957
00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:55,040
memo it's known as the bilenda memo or

958
00:44:02,380 --> 00:43:59,180
the belinda our air staff study and the

959
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:02,390
it was classified secret and it was

960
00:44:06,070 --> 00:44:04,250
written by a brigadier general carroll h

961
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,080
belinda who was the our deputy director

962
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:07,760
of development for the United States Air

963
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,050
Force and it was a it was it was it was

964
00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:13,760
the memo was written on the 20th of

965
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:15,800
October 1979 but it was never released

966
00:44:20,620 --> 00:44:19,040
it was it was only released in 1979 to

967
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:20,630
Robert Todd and only because he hounded

968
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:23,780
them and handed them and on page two of

969
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:26,690
that that basically the memo entails

970
00:44:31,390 --> 00:44:28,970
howhow how should we actually close

971
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:31,400
Project Blue Book administratively what

972
00:44:35,530 --> 00:44:33,410
the history of Project Blue Book is blah

973
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:35,540
blah blah it's three pages long but in

974
00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:37,210
there there's two interesting statements

975
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:39,340
one of them says this

976
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:42,350
moreover reports of unidentified flying

977
00:44:46,570 --> 00:44:44,210
objects which could affect national

978
00:44:50,410 --> 00:44:46,580
security are made in accordance with

979
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,420
Jane up 146 or airforce manual 55 11 and

980
00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:52,400
are not part of the Blue Book system

981
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:54,950
then a couple of lines down it says

982
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,680
however as already stated reports of

983
00:45:01,330 --> 00:44:58,880
UFOs which could affect national

984
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:01,340
security would continue to be handled

985
00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:03,050
through the standard air force reporting

986
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:05,830
procedures designed for this purpose now

987
00:45:11,590 --> 00:45:08,300
you've got to remember that that that

988
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:11,600
back in back in 1969 when Blue Book was

989
00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:13,880
closed the Secretary of the Air Force

990
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:16,460
had said that that with the termination

991
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:17,610
of blue

992
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:19,650
the result would be that investigation

993
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:22,890
studies blah blah blah had not helped us

994
00:45:28,610 --> 00:45:27,210
with the UFO problem the conclusions of

995
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:28,620
blue book and the Condon report were

996
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:31,050
quote no UFO reported investigated and

997
00:45:34,310 --> 00:45:32,610
evaluated by the Air Force has ever

998
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,320
given any indication of a threat to our

999
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:36,960
national security right so you've got

1000
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:38,220
you've got this statement from the

1001
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:39,420
Secretary of the Air Force no we're

1002
00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:42,390
saying that blue book and Project Condon

1003
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,820
the the condom Commission found that no

1004
00:45:49,310 --> 00:45:46,920
UFO reported investigated and evaluated

1005
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:49,320
by the Air Force has any given us an

1006
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,910
indication of threats to security and

1007
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:52,800
yet at the secondly at the same time

1008
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:55,680
you've got a classified Air Staff study

1009
00:46:01,160 --> 00:45:58,530
memoranda by Brigadier General Belinda

1010
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:01,170
which are saying that UFOs in future

1011
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:03,570
which could affect national security can

1012
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:06,120
should be the rich re reported by janap

1013
00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:08,460
one four six or Air Force manual 5511

1014
00:46:14,890 --> 00:46:12,150
and that's important because janap one

1015
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,900
four six lays out something called

1016
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:16,800
communications instructions for

1017
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:19,250
reporting vital intelligence sightings

1018
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:22,710
and they're called service reports and

1019
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:25,170
service reports can be used by pilots

1020
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,630
same well there's an equivalent naval

1021
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:29,280
system called Marines which is almost

1022
00:46:34,610 --> 00:46:31,320
identical but we'll say service and

1023
00:46:37,310 --> 00:46:34,620
marine reports of seaman and a pilot a

1024
00:46:40,070 --> 00:46:37,320
person on a base can report anything

1025
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:40,080
airborne hostile unidentified aircraft

1026
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,810
contrails missiles and identified

1027
00:46:46,310 --> 00:46:44,700
submarines and so on but one of the

1028
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:46,320
categories he can repay or she can

1029
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:48,270
report is unidentified flying objects

1030
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:52,140
and interestingly service reports and

1031
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,160
marine reports that are submitted they

1032
00:47:00,680 --> 00:46:58,800
go through the nearest air defense base

1033
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:00,690
and guess where they go they go to the

1034
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,270
commander in chief of NORAD right now

1035
00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:06,000
again you've got a situation where the

1036
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:07,590
Lindt like the United States Air Force

1037
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:10,620
who partly run NORAD are saying publicly

1038
00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:13,140
that the UFOs have never been a threat

1039
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,200
to national security and yet and yet at

1040
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:18,900
the same time you've got you've got this

1041
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:21,390
revelation that that service reports and

1042
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:22,710
another thing which I'll discuss in a

1043
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:27,930
minute service reports can be still that

1044
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:30,150
could affect national security it can be

1045
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:31,240
UFO

1046
00:47:37,260 --> 00:47:35,230
a service report they go to the

1047
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:37,270
commander in chief of NORAD the other

1048
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,910
thing I was gonna say was is this and I

1049
00:47:44,609 --> 00:47:41,440
know this is a lot for people to hear

1050
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:44,619
but as I was saying the Belinda memo

1051
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,500
mentioned Jayne ups the Jayne app system

1052
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,119
for reporting the UFOs which would

1053
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:51,520
affect national security but he also

1054
00:47:56,609 --> 00:47:54,910
said in there that's the other were

1055
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:56,619
basically he said in accordance with

1056
00:48:01,620 --> 00:47:58,690
Joan up one four six service or Air

1057
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,630
Force manual 5511 now researchers have

1058
00:48:06,359 --> 00:48:04,000
known for years about Jane app one four

1059
00:48:08,310 --> 00:48:06,369
six service reports but something we

1060
00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:08,320
haven't known much about was Air Force

1061
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:11,800
this Air Force manual 5511 an Air Force

1062
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:16,210
manual 5511 is was a 1968 piece of

1063
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:18,490
doctrine that laid out something called

1064
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:21,490
the airforce operational reporting

1065
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:24,910
system and I thought this is interesting

1066
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:27,730
because it was saying here that UFOs

1067
00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:30,190
like important UFO events could be

1068
00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:31,900
submitted by service reports which we

1069
00:48:34,770 --> 00:48:33,580
know about but I'm thinking years ago I

1070
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:34,780
was thinking what's this Air Force

1071
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:38,650
manual 5511 and I'd like I said it I got

1072
00:48:43,290 --> 00:48:40,420
a copy of it and lays out the Air Force

1073
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:43,300
reporting system which is basically an

1074
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:46,990
auto dental assistant at every base that

1075
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:48,850
you can report anything of interest to

1076
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:51,460
the Air Force major commands like about

1077
00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:54,730
break of flu a crashed plane anything

1078
00:49:00,240 --> 00:48:57,220
but within the Air Force reporting

1079
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:00,250
system there's this curious category of

1080
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:03,430
report called an operant 3 operational

1081
00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:06,310
report category 3 and that's full name

1082
00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:08,680
is actually it actually refers to

1083
00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:10,750
something called a serious incident or

1084
00:49:15,930 --> 00:49:13,390
serious event report so you could call

1085
00:49:18,570 --> 00:49:15,940
it an op rep 3 serious incident serious

1086
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:18,580
event report and it's just loosely

1087
00:49:23,310 --> 00:49:20,650
called an operate through though anyway

1088
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:23,320
I thought I thought okay I'm reading

1089
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:25,930
this and I'm an opera Patrese back in

1090
00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:28,030
the 60s and 70s were used for anything

1091
00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:31,480
really serious really significant that

1092
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:32,680
were a threat to national security

1093
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:34,750
potentially that would attract a lot of

1094
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:37,810
attention that that weren't covered by

1095
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,450
other report things miscellaneous type

1096
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:42,880
events and I thought hold on I've seen

1097
00:49:47,780 --> 00:49:44,940
this before

1098
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:47,790
I realized where some people will

1099
00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:52,770
remember that in 1975 and 93 the mid 70s

1100
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:54,840
through to the late 70s that there was a

1101
00:50:00,800 --> 00:49:58,950
series of very unusual UFO events over

1102
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:00,810
US military bases they're sometimes

1103
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:03,810
called the 1975 overflights at the

1104
00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:05,690
Strategic Air Command new kilobases

1105
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:08,580
spooky weird helicopters odd lights in

1106
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:11,960
the sky objects tracked on radar doing

1107
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:15,990
significant speeds and and so on and I

1108
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:19,140
realized that that went when the 75

1109
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:21,710
overflights and 76 overflights happened

1110
00:50:26,570 --> 00:50:24,540
again Barry Greenwood Robert Todd etc

1111
00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:26,580
they flooded Strategic Air Command

1112
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,320
National Military Command Center 8 their

1113
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:29,760
force etcetera they flooded them with

1114
00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:33,570
FOI requests and amazingly 900 pages of

1115
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:35,070
documents actually came out

1116
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:37,380
we're only assessing some of them now

1117
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:40,140
and the and I'm trying to furiously

1118
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:43,770
write about this stuff and anyway within

1119
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:46,560
that when when there was basically for

1120
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:49,650
instance in 1975 October November the

1121
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:52,380
basis of Loring Air Force Base word

1122
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:54,300
Smith Air Force Base Malstrom Air Force

1123
00:50:59,180 --> 00:50:56,280
Base marnet aerospace and and

1124
00:51:01,850 --> 00:50:59,190
Falconbridge Air Station in Canada they

1125
00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:01,860
were apparently over flown by strange

1126
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:04,560
objects and guess what the way that

1127
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:07,140
those bases like the command posts and

1128
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:08,880
the squadron communications officers

1129
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:11,370
there the way they communicated these

1130
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:14,310
sort of urgent UFO reports to the

1131
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:15,720
National Military Command Center and

1132
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:17,610
Strategic Command headquarters the way

1133
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:20,010
they did it was guess what I prefer a

1134
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:22,470
report couldn't believe I'm seeing this

1135
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:24,420
I'm reading this it says this is an

1136
00:51:29,710 --> 00:51:26,330
opera tree this is an opera three

1137
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:29,720
unidentified helicopter slash UFO

1138
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:33,270
objects hovering with clear intent over

1139
00:51:38,330 --> 00:51:36,210
nuclear missile facility or nuclear

1140
00:51:40,070 --> 00:51:38,340
igloos storage igloos um you know

1141
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:40,080
another operat three would would say

1142
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:41,460
this is an opera throughout sight this

1143
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:44,280
is an opera 3 update objects continue to

1144
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:44,970
be cited

1145
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:47,430
we're getting radar cuts intermittently

1146
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:50,490
and and you know blah blah blah and

1147
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:52,920
these events were investigated but you

1148
00:51:57,740 --> 00:51:55,020
know you've got to remember this is 1975

1149
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:57,750
so the US Air Force now apparently is

1150
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,530
not invest

1151
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:01,200
guiding evaluating analyzing whatever

1152
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:04,260
UFO reports and yet six years later in

1153
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:08,850
75 ah prep three channels are being used

1154
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:11,430
to report UFOs next to or above or near

1155
00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:14,130
bases and two they were actually

1156
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:15,840
investigated they weren't just reports

1157
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:17,250
and screw them and put them in the bin

1158
00:52:21,350 --> 00:52:19,470
they were actually evaluated and that

1159
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,360
evaluation we're still going through it

1160
00:52:25,540 --> 00:52:23,280
now the evaluations and the

1161
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:25,550
investigations and analysis were done by

1162
00:52:32,330 --> 00:52:29,370
Air Force weather central 8th Air Force

1163
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:32,340
Headquarters the Air Force intelligence

1164
00:52:37,610 --> 00:52:35,460
service which contains some we're at

1165
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:37,620
something called the aerospace reporting

1166
00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:39,900
the sorry the aerospace Intelligence

1167
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:42,270
Division national eteri command center

1168
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:44,760
j2 alternate National Military Command

1169
00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:46,200
Center for Ritchie

1170
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:50,550
and so on so these events were they were

1171
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:52,740
called objects they face that they were

1172
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:54,510
they were specific I mean for instance

1173
00:52:59,960 --> 00:52:57,540
one document says that one document from

1174
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,970
Malstrom Air Force Base said something

1175
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:01,980
like you know on occasion Northern

1176
00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:05,460
Lights will cause radar cuts you know of

1177
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:08,940
considerable nature but at this time of

1178
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:12,420
year they can't happen I mean another

1179
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,850
one Air Force where the central in in

1180
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:16,800
Washington were asked by the National

1181
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:19,430
Military Command Center to analyze

1182
00:53:22,850 --> 00:53:22,260
temperature inversions in future from

1183
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,860
now on

1184
00:53:28,850 --> 00:53:25,520
involving all UFO sightings from all

1185
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:28,860
American military bases that is a form

1186
00:53:34,310 --> 00:53:30,510
of analysis that is a form of evaluation

1187
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:34,320
I mean even one letter we've got I mean

1188
00:53:38,020 --> 00:53:35,850
people say look what about if it was

1189
00:53:40,850 --> 00:53:38,030
just stars and planets and hyperactive

1190
00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:40,860
reporters will know the you know the

1191
00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:43,830
I've got one document that said that

1192
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:46,080
actually says this it's from a captain

1193
00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:49,800
who was part of coordinating in the

1194
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:51,870
information flow about these UFO events

1195
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:54,200
and he specifically stated in a letter

1196
00:54:01,100 --> 00:53:56,690
quote the objects were never identified

1197
00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:01,110
unquote I mean you know you could say

1198
00:54:06,020 --> 00:54:03,390
you could you could say maybe some of

1199
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:06,030
them were helicopters we'll who's the

1200
00:54:10,340 --> 00:54:08,550
FBI were actually called in and it

1201
00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:10,350
certainly wasn't FBI or police type

1202
00:54:14,179 --> 00:54:12,059
helicopters the the National

1203
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:14,189
guard was called in it wasn't theirs the

1204
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:17,249
the Canadians were involved and they

1205
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:21,180
absolutely came up empty-handed the the

1206
00:54:26,449 --> 00:54:23,130
the way that the the objects were

1207
00:54:28,729 --> 00:54:26,459
reported I mean that they actually the

1208
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:28,739
objects over wordsmith lawyering etc

1209
00:54:32,779 --> 00:54:30,689
behaved somewhat like helicopters that's

1210
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:32,789
the odd thing they were even called

1211
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:34,380
unknown helicopters in some of the

1212
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:37,650
documents but I'll give you an example

1213
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:40,650
of just one report this is from this is

1214
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:44,609
from a let me seize of a captain he was

1215
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:46,650
with the headquarters 42 a combat

1216
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:48,689
support group at Loring Air Force Base

1217
00:54:56,109 --> 00:54:53,130
and he was a sergeant sergeant Hauk now

1218
00:54:59,179 --> 00:54:56,119
I'm gonna read what he said now remember

1219
00:55:01,160 --> 00:54:59,189
skeptics various others journalists at

1220
00:55:03,949 --> 00:55:01,170
the time occasionally was saying this

1221
00:55:06,499 --> 00:55:03,959
was little more than stars and planets

1222
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,509
right or even maybe a small fire at the

1223
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:09,839
edge of a base but this is what this is

1224
00:55:14,179 --> 00:55:11,609
Stephen Eichner statement who was at

1225
00:55:16,339 --> 00:55:14,189
Loring on one of the particularly bad

1226
00:55:18,769 --> 00:55:16,349
nights when those UFOs apparently were

1227
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:18,779
hovering over the base okay it's a sworn

1228
00:55:24,259 --> 00:55:22,410
statement I was a member of United

1229
00:55:28,249 --> 00:55:24,269
States Air Force and served from October

1230
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:28,259
10th 973 to August 19 1977 this is just

1231
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,390
after he'd left the airport I was

1232
00:55:35,179 --> 00:55:32,160
stationed at Loring Air Force Base in

1233
00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:35,189
limestone Maine in October of 1975 I

1234
00:55:41,419 --> 00:55:37,319
believe it was two days before Halloween

1235
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,429
I was the crew chief on a b-52 bomber it

1236
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:43,619
was very late at night and and I was

1237
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:45,390
working second shift I was working out

1238
00:55:49,339 --> 00:55:47,099
of the launch truck with the other guys

1239
00:55:50,929 --> 00:55:49,349
when over the flight line I saw a red

1240
00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:50,939
and orange object that looked like a

1241
00:55:55,489 --> 00:55:53,579
stretched-out football hovering over the

1242
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:55,499
other side of the flight line where the

1243
00:56:00,199 --> 00:55:57,420
weapons dump was that's nuclear weapons

1244
00:56:02,479 --> 00:56:00,209
by the way this is where they store the

1245
00:56:04,459 --> 00:56:02,489
nuclear weapons it stayed there for a

1246
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:04,469
couple of minutes with all the guys just

1247
00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:06,809
staring in amazement at it then the

1248
00:56:10,969 --> 00:56:08,549
lights went out on it and the object

1249
00:56:12,739 --> 00:56:10,979
disappeared the object then reappeared

1250
00:56:15,319 --> 00:56:12,749
over the north end of the runway it

1251
00:56:17,479 --> 00:56:15,329
stopped and hovered again all the guys

1252
00:56:20,209 --> 00:56:17,489
jumped in a truck and started to drive

1253
00:56:24,259 --> 00:56:20,219
towards it the only name I can remember

1254
00:56:26,090 --> 00:56:24,269
is tech sergeant Roscoe and there Roscoe

1255
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,100
Jones who was driving the truck

1256
00:56:30,860 --> 00:56:28,920
we drove out we drove out a road to the

1257
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:30,870
end of the driveway made a turn and

1258
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:32,970
there it was about 300 feet in front of

1259
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:35,610
us about five feet in the air as long as

1260
00:56:38,810 --> 00:56:38,370
as four car lengths red and orange in

1261
00:56:42,860 --> 00:56:38,820
color

1262
00:56:44,540 --> 00:56:42,870
was a solid object were no doors or

1263
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:44,550
windows that we could and we could not

1264
00:56:49,850 --> 00:56:46,770
hear any noise about this time the base

1265
00:56:52,570 --> 00:56:49,860
went crazy sirens started to go off and

1266
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:52,580
I could see numerous lights from the

1267
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:55,410
special police vehicles coming down the

1268
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:57,900
runway real fast man there was a lot of

1269
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:00,180
them Roscoe said we'd better get out of

1270
00:57:04,580 --> 00:57:02,370
here the object either disappeared or

1271
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:04,590
took off the next night I heard from

1272
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,940
people in the tower that there was a

1273
00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:08,160
choice with an f4 phantom the chassis

1274
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:10,560
ofr into Canada I heard that the f4 was

1275
00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:12,690
doing a 1200 miles an hour and the

1276
00:57:16,550 --> 00:57:14,520
object just took off and left the jet as

1277
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,560
if it was standing still there was also

1278
00:57:20,090 --> 00:57:18,480
talking the tower tried to call Pearce

1279
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:20,100
and Carswell Air Force Base but could

1280
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:21,540
not reach them due to the fact that when

1281
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:23,880
the UFO was over the base or phone line

1282
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:26,280
and communications went dead our

1283
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:28,680
superiors gathered us together the next

1284
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:30,390
day and told us what we had seen was

1285
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:32,460
just a helicopter I have been on melech

1286
00:57:37,780 --> 00:57:34,500
many helicopters in my service time and

1287
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:37,790
it was no helicopter there's been UFO

1288
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,680
activity over the base they had been UFO

1289
00:57:46,460 --> 00:57:42,720
activity over the base for a week I

1290
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,470
remember a civilian newspaper in which a

1291
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:48,480
woman in Bangor Maine had also spotted

1292
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:50,130
the object on the night it went over the

1293
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,020
weapons dump i swear that the above

1294
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:53,520
statement is true to the best of my

1295
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:56,130
recollections now that's one statement

1296
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,650
we have got both from the time like from

1297
00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:00,480
a fuzzy off sphere for Special

1298
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:02,700
Investigation documents FBI documents

1299
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:05,160
and so on plus years later we've got

1300
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:07,380
statements like that one after another

1301
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:09,870
from air traffic controllers and flight

1302
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:11,700
line people and disaster preparedness

1303
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:14,010
people and security officials on the

1304
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:18,770
base we the copilot's navigators a

1305
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:21,720
medical staff on base communications

1306
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:24,930
people a base executive officers went

1307
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:26,910
right through from Colonel right down to

1308
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:30,540
airman second class so you know I have

1309
00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:33,810
actually seen skeptics and that's fine I

1310
00:58:39,970 --> 00:58:35,880
in be skeptical if you want but I have

1311
00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:39,980
had skeptics over the years tell me all

1312
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:41,780
others that these objects would

1313
00:58:49,930 --> 00:58:48,950
definitely planets so I mean you know

1314
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:49,940
it's puerile

1315
00:59:00,550 --> 00:58:57,410
so ridiculous yeah well you've got one

1316
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:00,560
one other case that that came up came

1317
00:59:05,410 --> 00:59:02,570
about I believe I've through where the

1318
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:05,420
the AH prep three system of finding them

1319
00:59:09,180 --> 00:59:07,850
and that was the hunter airfield case

1320
00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:09,190
you wanna talk a little bit about that

1321
00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:13,150
okay well it was it was it was a type of

1322
00:59:19,330 --> 00:59:15,380
situation report it wasn't an opera

1323
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:19,340
three it was actually by the way just on

1324
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:22,640
our prep threes we we actually have only

1325
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,609
five cut like I said Belinda in his memo

1326
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:27,920
said that Air Force manual 5511 could be

1327
00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:30,410
used for reporting UFOs and it contains

1328
00:59:36,670 --> 00:59:33,470
the operant 3 system and we do know that

1329
00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:36,680
in the mid-70s that operate fries were

1330
00:59:39,940 --> 00:59:38,540
used five times by the US military

1331
00:59:41,830 --> 00:59:39,950
because the operatory system eventually

1332
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:41,840
was migrated to the Army Marine Corps

1333
00:59:47,530 --> 00:59:45,170
and Navy as well so anyway what I was

1334
00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:47,540
just one last thing on that is that in

1335
00:59:53,890 --> 00:59:51,080
um in 1996 I and I unfortunately don't

1336
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:53,900
have the letter but a researcher in

1337
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,369
England Armen Victorian was sent a

1338
00:59:59,620 --> 00:59:57,440
letter he had submitted and if I were a

1339
01:00:02,560 --> 00:59:59,630
request to the National Military Command

1340
01:00:04,420 --> 01:00:02,570
Center for copies of opera threes sent

1341
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,430
in from military bases that contains

1342
01:00:08,650 --> 01:00:07,280
stuff about UFOs and apparently he

1343
01:00:11,020 --> 01:00:08,660
received I haven't seen the letter

1344
01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:11,030
but it's quoted as saying that the the

1345
01:00:16,060 --> 01:00:13,550
know Colonel MacDonald at the at the

1346
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,070
national tree command center had stated

1347
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:19,040
to Victorian that his FOI request was

1348
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:20,890
not going to be successful and I quote

1349
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:25,310
op rip freeze concerning unidentified

1350
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:28,130
objects over US military installations

1351
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:30,530
are considered extremely sensitive and

1352
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,050
thus not releasable right so that's the

1353
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:35,119
final word on our prep throws we've said

1354
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:37,040
we have submitted I have submitted it me

1355
01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:38,690
and my friend David Carmichael in

1356
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:40,940
England have submitted if I were a

1357
01:00:44,890 --> 01:00:43,040
request for opera priests involving

1358
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:44,900
unidentified flying objects and unknown

1359
01:00:50,590 --> 01:00:46,670
objects over BOCES we're still getting

1360
01:00:54,099 --> 01:00:50,600
the replies now incredibly slow anyway

1361
01:00:57,849 --> 01:00:54,109
so as for Hunter Army Airfield

1362
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:57,859
well that case was submitted via

1363
01:01:01,269 --> 01:00:59,210
something called a serious incident

1364
01:01:03,609 --> 01:01:01,279
report a US Army's serious incident

1365
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:03,619
report and what happened was back in um

1366
01:01:09,009 --> 01:01:07,249
in Savannah which is a city in Georgia

1367
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:09,019
you guys should know it I don't know

1368
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:11,210
I've never been there but the there's

1369
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:13,970
there's there's a base in in Georgia

1370
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:14,450
called

1371
01:01:19,749 --> 01:01:16,910
a hunter Army Airfield and it's in the

1372
01:01:22,329 --> 01:01:19,759
actual suburbs of Savannah in Georgia

1373
01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:22,339
now nearby there's another base called

1374
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:28,069
Fort Stewart and in in mid-1997 t2 73-74

1375
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:31,670
both bases were at a real lull like like

1376
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:33,170
the Vietnam War changed directions

1377
01:01:38,140 --> 01:01:34,910
everything had moved to Fort Leavenworth

1378
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:38,150
or or you know Fort Rucker in Alabama or

1379
01:01:46,059 --> 01:01:41,089
whatever and what actually happened was

1380
01:01:48,339 --> 01:01:46,069
was um the the the the hunter Army

1381
01:01:50,019 --> 01:01:48,349
Airfield base was guarded at the time

1382
01:01:51,609 --> 01:01:50,029
even though it was a defunct base it was

1383
01:01:52,930 --> 01:01:51,619
empty I mean the helicopters had gone

1384
01:01:55,630 --> 01:01:52,940
there was no training there was no

1385
01:01:57,579 --> 01:01:55,640
doctrine command it was basically an

1386
01:02:00,670 --> 01:01:57,589
abandoned base it was it was a writ

1387
01:02:02,739 --> 01:02:00,680
disorganized or a discontinued base for

1388
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,749
a time anyway anyway it still had to be

1389
01:02:08,049 --> 01:02:04,400
guarded they have security around the

1390
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:08,059
perimeter they have guards checking the

1391
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,529
entrances and exits I have

1392
01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:11,359
administrative staff are checking

1393
01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:13,190
buildings for fires that sort of thing

1394
01:02:19,569 --> 01:02:15,400
running fire alarms bla bla bla

1395
01:02:22,539 --> 01:02:19,579
it was actually it was actually guarded

1396
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:22,549
by personnel military police from the

1397
01:02:27,549 --> 01:02:25,430
2/9 Military Police Company which was

1398
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:27,559
say it was an Army forces command unis

1399
01:02:32,170 --> 01:02:30,529
that was reported that it was it was a

1400
01:02:34,059 --> 01:02:32,180
military police unit and it was the size

1401
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:34,069
of a battalion actually but it reported

1402
01:02:38,620 --> 01:02:36,410
to the local provost marshal at Fort

1403
01:02:41,950 --> 01:02:38,630
Stewart which was nearby and Fort

1404
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:41,960
Stewart then in turn reported Sioux

1405
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:44,809
forces command and the 24th at a junk

1406
01:02:48,759 --> 01:02:46,130
General I don't know how you say a de

1407
01:02:52,749 --> 01:02:48,769
Jong your country but anyway so hunter

1408
01:02:56,009 --> 01:02:52,759
army airfields this place and on the on

1409
01:02:58,299 --> 01:02:56,019
the 8th of on the 8th of September

1410
01:03:00,099 --> 01:02:58,309
really lied at no sorry really well

1411
01:03:04,059 --> 01:03:00,109
really early in the morning 2 o'clock in

1412
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:04,069
the morning in 1973 the the base was the

1413
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:07,730
base was being patrolled by a a Sarge

1414
01:03:14,380 --> 01:03:11,359
was a sergeant MP specialist Bart burns

1415
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:14,390
and an MP specialist Randy shade and

1416
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:16,310
though with the 28th Military Police

1417
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:17,930
Company and they're patrolling the base

1418
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:21,190
really early in the morning and they

1419
01:03:26,170 --> 01:03:24,050
they that the story goes like this they

1420
01:03:28,330 --> 01:03:26,180
they were driving their patrol car which

1421
01:03:29,710 --> 01:03:28,340
had sirens and alarms and so on on and

1422
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:29,720
though they were driving around from

1423
01:03:36,130 --> 01:03:31,450
building to building checking alarms and

1424
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:36,140
they they noticed that a fairly rapidly

1425
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:39,200
fast-moving object disappeared like went

1426
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:40,400
across their line of view and

1427
01:03:44,140 --> 01:03:42,050
disappeared behind some trees near the

1428
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:44,150
base and they actually were a little

1429
01:03:48,370 --> 01:03:45,680
worried for a sec that it was there was

1430
01:03:50,859 --> 01:03:48,380
possibly a very small aircraft that was

1431
01:03:53,530 --> 01:03:50,869
in trouble and advantage behind the

1432
01:03:54,940 --> 01:03:53,540
trees and they they they didn't hear

1433
01:03:56,620 --> 01:03:54,950
anything over the radio system with the

1434
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,630
local police which Chatham County Police

1435
01:04:00,430 --> 01:03:58,880
Department etc so they went about their

1436
01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:00,440
patrolling just thinking having a think

1437
01:04:04,330 --> 01:04:02,390
about you know what to do

1438
01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:04,340
and when they when they were driving

1439
01:04:11,170 --> 01:04:09,140
down the huge runway they they saw this

1440
01:04:13,570 --> 01:04:11,180
object apparently rise up out of the

1441
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:13,580
trees appear over the end of the runway

1442
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:16,490
and just completely hover still and they

1443
01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:19,130
cut a long story short they they drove

1444
01:04:21,849 --> 01:04:20,900
towards it a bit and they thought they

1445
01:04:23,410 --> 01:04:21,859
thought this can't be a helicopter

1446
01:04:25,570 --> 01:04:23,420
because there's nothing to eat or no we

1447
01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:25,580
just don't take helicopters anymore

1448
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:27,230
they it's not a plane because it's

1449
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:29,690
simply not moving and it was quite

1450
01:04:33,580 --> 01:04:31,910
bright they said it they stay indicated

1451
01:04:36,310 --> 01:04:33,590
specifically that I had a huge cluster

1452
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:36,320
of lights underneath it and the object

1453
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:38,510
just sat there slowly ever so slowly

1454
01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:40,450
descending at the end of the base and

1455
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:44,350
they orbit they're a bit awestruck and

1456
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:47,510
all of a sudden abruptly this thing just

1457
01:04:51,970 --> 01:04:50,480
came straight towards them and they are

1458
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:51,980
in their patrol car they they didn't get

1459
01:04:57,370 --> 01:04:55,490
out yet and this this object they they

1460
01:05:00,220 --> 01:04:57,380
the world what they suppose status

1461
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:00,230
specifically was that they as the object

1462
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:02,720
came towards the car it hovered sort of

1463
01:05:07,180 --> 01:05:05,359
diagonally above them it was a swirling

1464
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:07,190
maelstrom of colored lights underneath

1465
01:05:12,099 --> 01:05:09,920
it and it sort of illuminated the full

1466
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:12,109
body of whatever this object was above

1467
01:05:16,930 --> 01:05:14,810
it and they called it classically I hate

1468
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:16,940
to say it it was like a flying disc it

1469
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:18,770
was circular anyway slight somewhat

1470
01:05:23,099 --> 01:05:20,710
possibly dark and metallic

1471
01:05:25,170 --> 01:05:23,109
and they stared at I mean at one point

1472
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:25,180
one of them actually cowered underneath

1473
01:05:29,970 --> 01:05:28,810
the dashboard they slammed the car into

1474
01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:29,980
reverse

1475
01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:32,920
then gunned it all the way back to the

1476
01:05:37,050 --> 01:05:34,420
guard center and the thing actually

1477
01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:37,060
stuck with them they crashed the car

1478
01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:38,740
they crashes into a ditch they crashed

1479
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:40,780
their patrol car on the way back to the

1480
01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:43,839
guard base they the object hovered above

1481
01:05:49,650 --> 01:05:46,900
them stayed with them and then it left

1482
01:05:51,870 --> 01:05:49,660
fairly abruptly they they had so rescue

1483
01:05:54,210 --> 01:05:51,880
their car out in the ditch now it all

1484
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:54,220
sounds like a lovely story the problem

1485
01:06:00,420 --> 01:05:58,000
is is this and exactly the same time the

1486
01:06:04,290 --> 01:06:00,430
local Police Department were receiving

1487
01:06:07,140 --> 01:06:04,300
calls from civilians about UFOs in the

1488
01:06:08,790 --> 01:06:07,150
area not only that some of the the calls

1489
01:06:10,530 --> 01:06:08,800
were coming in were actually from police

1490
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,540
officers calling into their own station

1491
01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:12,640
and one set of police officers

1492
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:14,560
apparently was actually on on a crime

1493
01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:16,930
stakeout and they actually watched this

1494
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:20,230
UFO hovering dive over hunter Army

1495
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:23,050
Airfield the journalists who broke the

1496
01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:24,880
story the very next day actually did a

1497
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:27,190
really good job it wasn't lurid they

1498
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:31,810
quoted accurately we believe now the in

1499
01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:34,330
piece burns and shade got back to the

1500
01:06:38,910 --> 01:06:36,520
guardhouse they went back to Fort

1501
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:38,920
Stewart which is miles away they

1502
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:41,290
immediately filled out a military police

1503
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:43,810
report about the incident then they

1504
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:46,570
filled out a much more serious serious

1505
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:49,510
event report which went to Forces

1506
01:06:54,839 --> 01:06:51,130
Command headquarters and Headquarters

1507
01:06:56,780 --> 01:06:54,849
Department of the army the now this

1508
01:07:00,900 --> 01:06:56,790
story broke in all the papers

1509
01:07:05,339 --> 01:07:00,910
burns and shade were quoted accurately

1510
01:07:08,310 --> 01:07:05,349
they they they they told this story that

1511
01:07:10,170 --> 01:07:08,320
the the the the tale started as you know

1512
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:10,180
died as soon as that had begun it was

1513
01:07:15,450 --> 01:07:12,970
just one of those media flaps anyway two

1514
01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:15,460
years later almost to the day Roberts

1515
01:07:20,310 --> 01:07:17,380
had the FOI request er comes along and

1516
01:07:22,349 --> 01:07:20,320
he absolutely demands he wrote to hunter

1517
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:22,359
army airfield who transferred his some

1518
01:07:27,870 --> 01:07:25,119
letters to the 24th Infantry Division at

1519
01:07:30,510 --> 01:07:27,880
Fort Stewart he demanded copies of any

1520
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:30,520
documentation reports briefs telexes

1521
01:07:34,289 --> 01:07:33,010
whatever about this UFO case from these

1522
01:07:37,439 --> 01:07:34,299
MP's

1523
01:07:39,809 --> 01:07:37,449
close andum they came back to him first

1524
01:07:41,279 --> 01:07:39,819
and and it was a major came back to him

1525
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:41,289
and said we don't know anything about

1526
01:07:44,999 --> 01:07:42,160
what you're talking about

1527
01:07:46,499 --> 01:07:45,009
so Robert Todd wrote back and said you

1528
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:46,509
must because it only happened two years

1529
01:07:50,189 --> 01:07:48,910
ago they wrote back to him and said ah

1530
01:07:52,650 --> 01:07:50,199
now we know what you're talking about

1531
01:07:54,359 --> 01:07:52,660
you're talking about the UFO case oh and

1532
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:54,369
they sent him a bunch of newspaper

1533
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:56,170
articles they sent Robert Todd yet

1534
01:08:00,359 --> 01:07:57,849
newspaper articles about the case

1535
01:08:03,089 --> 01:08:00,369
Roberts had rode back again and said you

1536
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:03,099
must have formal documentation he

1537
01:08:06,989 --> 01:08:05,170
started writing to other army commands

1538
01:08:09,089 --> 01:08:06,999
he wrote to the provost marshal as well

1539
01:08:10,890 --> 01:08:09,099
and the between a lot of them they

1540
01:08:13,289 --> 01:08:10,900
eventually had to admit yep they did

1541
01:08:15,630 --> 01:08:13,299
have documents they didn't have copies

1542
01:08:18,569 --> 01:08:15,640
of the original military police report

1543
01:08:21,089 --> 01:08:18,579
but they did have copies they had five

1544
01:08:28,019 --> 01:08:21,099
pages of serious incident report and

1545
01:08:31,589 --> 01:08:28,029
I'll read you I'll read you you know

1546
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:31,599
I'll read you one of those those pages

1547
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:43,339
what are we got here okay

1548
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,650
the the serious incident report is sent

1549
01:08:55,019 --> 01:08:53,199
from Hunter Army Airfield and Fort

1550
01:08:57,419 --> 01:08:55,029
Stewart to Forces Command it's a telex

1551
01:09:00,180 --> 01:08:57,429
message it's sent electronically

1552
01:09:02,910 --> 01:09:00,190
it's blah blah blah but the main guts of

1553
01:09:05,819 --> 01:09:02,920
the report this is what it says okay

1554
01:09:08,069 --> 01:09:05,829
at approximately ode to 20 hours 8

1555
01:09:10,049 --> 01:09:08,079
September 73 an unidentified flying

1556
01:09:13,099 --> 01:09:10,059
object was cited by two military

1557
01:09:16,499 --> 01:09:13,109
policemen SP for burns and SP for shady

1558
01:09:18,269 --> 01:09:16,509
the I shade the hunter army airfield

1559
01:09:20,999 --> 01:09:18,279
while in the course of a routine patrol

1560
01:09:23,370 --> 01:09:21,009
of the installation perimeter when the

1561
01:09:25,229 --> 01:09:23,380
Vasek win in the vicinity of the Cobra

1562
01:09:27,059 --> 01:09:25,239
Hall they noticed an object traveling at

1563
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,069
what appeared to them to be a high rate

1564
01:09:31,049 --> 01:09:28,960
of speed traveling east to west

1565
01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:31,059
approximately 2,000 feet altitude and

1566
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:32,520
crossing their post perimeter

1567
01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:34,690
approximately 10 minutes later they

1568
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:36,520
recited the object when it appeared at

1569
01:09:41,069 --> 01:09:38,710
treetop level and made an apparent dive

1570
01:09:43,019 --> 01:09:41,079
at their vehicle the object again

1571
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,029
reappeared in another location and came

1572
01:09:47,339 --> 01:09:45,279
to hover for approximately 15 minutes in

1573
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:47,349
front of them the unidentified object

1574
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:48,130
appeared

1575
01:09:51,809 --> 01:09:49,600
have brilliantly flashing lights blue

1576
01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:51,819
white and amber in color they then

1577
01:09:55,709 --> 01:09:53,500
return to the main post and were

1578
01:09:57,209 --> 01:09:55,719
followed by the unidentified object 50

1579
01:09:59,970 --> 01:09:57,219
to 100 feet away from treetop level

1580
01:10:02,100 --> 01:09:59,980
until it finally veered off and visual

1581
01:10:04,410 --> 01:10:02,110
contact was lost the object made no

1582
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:04,420
noise the alleged UFO was described as

1583
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:07,690
round and oval shape it shades a oval in

1584
01:10:15,209 --> 01:10:12,449
shape and between 35 and 75 feet across

1585
01:10:17,340 --> 01:10:15,219
well okay so that's puttin it in a

1586
01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:17,350
serious event report now I mean if this

1587
01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:19,150
was a joke if this was a hoax and

1588
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:20,920
they're actually putting this in a

1589
01:10:26,129 --> 01:10:23,199
serious incident report I've checked out

1590
01:10:28,530 --> 01:10:26,139
these si ours and they're actually not

1591
01:10:30,750 --> 01:10:28,540
for mucking around like you can get you

1592
01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:30,760
you I mean that the penalty for sending

1593
01:10:34,590 --> 01:10:33,400
one of these on a hoax or because you

1594
01:10:36,990 --> 01:10:34,600
saw a shooting star

1595
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:37,000
would be I would have thought it would

1596
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:41,350
be not pretty you know like right on top

1597
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:42,610
of all that then you've also got

1598
01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:44,770
corroboration from the local cops and

1599
01:10:49,649 --> 01:10:48,190
citizens as well yeah yeah there was

1600
01:10:51,450 --> 01:10:49,659
newspaper articles there was an

1601
01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:51,460
excellent one of the dirt one journalist

1602
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,830
actually went then very next day went

1603
01:10:57,870 --> 01:10:56,080
straight to hunter Army Airfield and

1604
01:10:59,610 --> 01:10:57,880
actually was that the army were pretty

1605
01:11:01,620 --> 01:10:59,620
good in this case they actually allowed

1606
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:01,630
a local journal it wasn't really local

1607
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:04,860
journalist but and a journalist within a

1608
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:08,050
Gorger somewhere in Georgia to interview

1609
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:09,280
those guys and we've actually got those

1610
01:11:14,970 --> 01:11:12,449
interview notes and and that's good now

1611
01:11:19,050 --> 01:11:14,980
I know we're probably running out of

1612
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,060
time but I was gonna drop one staggering

1613
01:11:24,959 --> 01:11:21,280
letter which I've seen as I was saying

1614
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:24,969
before we all know that in the project

1615
01:11:30,270 --> 01:11:27,670
Bluebook finished in 1969 at bands there

1616
01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:30,280
was no people one one sticking point is

1617
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:35,590
this is is is is it's one thing to say

1618
01:11:42,570 --> 01:11:39,040
that the UF that the US government in

1619
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:42,580
1969-70 stopped investigating and

1620
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:45,670
evaluating and analyzing UFO reports

1621
01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:48,850
after 1969 that doesn't stop them

1622
01:11:52,860 --> 01:11:50,980
receiving them I mean Eddie idiot can

1623
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:52,870
send a telex or even just a civilian

1624
01:11:55,410 --> 01:11:54,010
sending a letter to the United States

1625
01:11:58,530 --> 01:11:55,420
Air Force or someone in the military

1626
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,540
about a UFO sighting you know it's when

1627
01:12:01,980 --> 01:12:00,400
Bluebook close i didn't specifically say

1628
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:01,990
we're never going to accept

1629
01:12:07,050 --> 01:12:04,270
the report and as I said in classified

1630
01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:07,060
documents they they laid out that we are

1631
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:08,860
gonna keep accepting UFO reports from

1632
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:11,050
military channels but anyway when when

1633
01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:12,880
blue will close I didn't actually say

1634
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:15,220
will never we refuse to even receive

1635
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:17,170
reports what they actually said is

1636
01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:18,400
there's one that we're not going to

1637
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:20,680
investigate analyze evaluate them and

1638
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:22,420
true there's gonna be no central desk

1639
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:24,730
like no central UFO office anymore fair

1640
01:12:30,570 --> 01:12:28,840
enough okay now like I said II you can

1641
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:30,580
read these public statements til the

1642
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:32,650
cows come home and you can believe them

1643
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:35,920
whatever but I've got a I've got a

1644
01:12:41,550 --> 01:12:39,010
document in front of me which is just so

1645
01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:41,560
unbelievable that like I was saying

1646
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:43,150
there's a difference between simply

1647
01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:45,490
receiving the odd report through to

1648
01:12:49,260 --> 01:12:47,200
actually doing investigations and

1649
01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:49,270
evaluations the Air Force like us had

1650
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:50,710
always said we're never going to

1651
01:13:00,420 --> 01:12:55,810
investigate and evaluate UFO reports any

1652
01:13:03,330 --> 01:13:00,430
more okay now that was in 1969 I've got

1653
01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:03,340
a letter in front of me was the letter

1654
01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:05,350
sent to Robert Todd what had happened

1655
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:07,720
was Robert Todd there was a there was a

1656
01:13:12,990 --> 01:13:10,570
hunter Army Airfield case in 1973 but

1657
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,000
some some listeners may remember a case

1658
01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:15,520
also from 1973 called the Mansfield Ohio

1659
01:13:24,180 --> 01:13:22,300
event a UFO apparently came raging at an

1660
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,190
army helicopter near Sydney Columbus

1661
01:13:28,020 --> 01:13:26,800
Ohio that's the other coin helicopter

1662
01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:28,030
case might be a little bit better now

1663
01:13:31,890 --> 01:13:30,070
has here in the States

1664
01:13:34,590 --> 01:13:31,900
yeah the coin the captain coin

1665
01:13:37,050 --> 01:13:34,600
helicopter incident US Army Reserves it

1666
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:37,060
was seen whenever it wasn't 973 so there

1667
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:38,170
was actually a couple of other cases

1668
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:40,600
will in California involving the army

1669
01:13:45,570 --> 01:13:42,310
and Army Depot I think it was Sierra

1670
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:45,580
Army Depot so anyway Robert Todd the FOI

1671
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:47,410
request er he's got all these cases in

1672
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,090
front of him like hunter Army Airfield

1673
01:13:54,030 --> 01:13:51,280
and Mansfield Oh or coin helicopter case

1674
01:13:55,710 --> 01:13:54,040
and couple from California there was a

1675
01:13:58,890 --> 01:13:55,720
couple of US Coast Guard cases at the

1676
01:14:01,530 --> 01:13:58,900
same time and so on so coin sorry

1677
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:01,540
Todd decided they in the scheme of this

1678
01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:03,130
he'd be gotten sick of writing to the

1679
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:05,080
Air Force so he started trying to

1680
01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:06,910
circumnavigate them and started writing

1681
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:08,740
to the army which he had to do anyway

1682
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:11,530
for these to study those cases but he

1683
01:14:16,389 --> 01:14:14,800
asked the army at Fort Rucker and

1684
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,399
various other place

1685
01:14:20,799 --> 01:14:18,800
he asked some really pointed questions

1686
01:14:22,959 --> 01:14:20,809
about the UFO matter like Todd could be

1687
01:14:26,169 --> 01:14:22,969
very very aggressive the way he wrote

1688
01:14:29,919 --> 01:14:26,179
was it was at times extremely rude he he

1689
01:14:32,949 --> 01:14:29,929
was savage and I mean anyway so he was

1690
01:14:36,759 --> 01:14:32,959
having conversations or letter exchanges

1691
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:36,769
slowly through nineteen through January

1692
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:40,729
February in 1976 with with the army at

1693
01:14:47,949 --> 01:14:45,199
Fort Rucker and one of the he he asked

1694
01:14:49,689 --> 01:14:47,959
he was without reading it out he went

1695
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:49,699
back and forward and one of his final

1696
01:14:54,429 --> 01:14:51,169
letters was really aggressive he

1697
01:14:54,969 --> 01:14:54,439
absolutely demanded to know from four

1698
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:54,979
truckers

1699
01:15:00,189 --> 01:14:57,760
army aviation center he absolutely

1700
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:00,199
demanded to know you he said you can't

1701
01:15:04,959 --> 01:15:03,050
tell me that UFOs when they nearly ran

1702
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:04,969
into helicopters or when they chase

1703
01:15:09,549 --> 01:15:07,249
people down on bases you can't tell me

1704
01:15:10,869 --> 01:15:09,559
that that the United States Air Force or

1705
01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:10,879
the United States Army or any of you

1706
01:15:14,739 --> 01:15:13,340
guys are not interested he was really

1707
01:15:17,109 --> 01:15:14,749
forceful I haven't got it in front of me

1708
01:15:20,619 --> 01:15:17,119
but I do have the reply what actually

1709
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:20,629
happened was the the guy who was

1710
01:15:28,029 --> 01:15:23,209
corresponding with was a a Herbert see

1711
01:15:29,919 --> 01:15:28,039
Strickland who was at Fort Rucker and he

1712
01:15:32,049 --> 01:15:29,929
was thought Strickland was the deputy

1713
01:15:34,959 --> 01:15:32,059
public affairs officer at the army

1714
01:15:37,959 --> 01:15:34,969
aviation Center in Fort Rucker and so

1715
01:15:39,219 --> 01:15:37,969
Todd wrote Todd wrote Strickland yet

1716
01:15:41,259 --> 01:15:39,229
another letter which was pretty

1717
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,269
aggressive and this time Strickland said

1718
01:15:48,339 --> 01:15:43,280
said okay I'm gonna have to get rid of

1719
01:15:50,290 --> 01:15:48,349
this guy so Strickland went to another

1720
01:15:51,699 --> 01:15:50,300
part of the army which has heavy

1721
01:15:55,899 --> 01:15:51,709
relationship with the United States Air

1722
01:15:59,849 --> 01:15:55,909
Force and so well Strickland went to a

1723
01:16:02,830 --> 01:15:59,859
guy called Colonel Samuel P kelegian and

1724
01:16:05,799 --> 01:16:02,840
he collegia n-- was the deputy commander

1725
01:16:09,429 --> 01:16:05,809
of army aviation safety for the whole

1726
01:16:11,109 --> 01:16:09,439
army and and that has that that agency

1727
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,119
has a very strong relationship in the

1728
01:16:14,919 --> 01:16:13,280
United States Air Force Air Force Safety

1729
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:14,929
Inspection Agency at Norton in

1730
01:16:20,589 --> 01:16:17,449
California anyway so what I'm trying to

1731
01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:20,599
say is making it simple Herbert see

1732
01:16:25,540 --> 01:16:23,719
Strickland at Fort Rucker wanted to give

1733
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,550
Robert Todd some really accurate

1734
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:27,199
information because he knew he was just

1735
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:29,340
gonna get harassed constantly from

1736
01:16:34,910 --> 01:16:32,400
so strickland went to someone someone

1737
01:16:38,570 --> 01:16:34,920
better in the army a colonel and anyway

1738
01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:38,580
the colonel helped strickland formulate

1739
01:16:45,310 --> 01:16:41,100
a proper answer a final admission to

1740
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:45,320
Robert Todd and this is what it says now

1741
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:46,970
remember the Federal Aviation

1742
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:49,980
Administration's also involved in in in

1743
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:52,710
in UFO reporting or you know generally

1744
01:16:56,180 --> 01:16:54,330
anyway but yet so you've got to remember

1745
01:16:57,710 --> 01:16:56,190
that the United States Air Force II FAA

1746
01:16:59,780 --> 01:16:57,720
whatever the army they have no

1747
01:17:03,860 --> 01:16:59,790
interested much in UFOs anymore but this

1748
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:03,870
is what it said dear mr. Todd I'm in

1749
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:06,210
receipt of your letter dated 17 February

1750
01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:12,330
76 the agency responsible for the

1751
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:14,280
investigation of reports of unidentified

1752
01:17:19,460 --> 01:17:17,310
flying objects UFOs is our senior

1753
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,470
aviation service the United States Air

1754
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:21,840
Force as designated by the Department of

1755
01:17:27,050 --> 01:17:24,300
Defense the United States Air Force

1756
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:27,060
coordinate their investigations and

1757
01:17:33,170 --> 01:17:30,050
findings with the Federal Aviation

1758
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:33,180
Administration the responsibility of

1759
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,510
this installation here for investigating

1760
01:17:40,490 --> 01:17:38,880
aviation mishaps is limited to accidents

1761
01:17:42,490 --> 01:17:40,500
and incidents involving damage to

1762
01:17:44,780 --> 01:17:42,500
property injuries and deaths

1763
01:17:47,450 --> 01:17:44,790
investigations of aviation mishaps which

1764
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:47,460
do not involve damage injury etc such as

1765
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:49,260
the UFO instance you are talking about

1766
01:17:53,180 --> 01:17:51,330
are the responsibility of the unit

1767
01:17:59,690 --> 01:17:53,190
owning the aircraft involved blah blah

1768
01:18:02,480 --> 01:17:59,700
blah in the case of UFO incidents as as

1769
01:18:05,980 --> 01:18:02,490
I say the UF the US Air Force and the

1770
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:05,990
FAA accomplished detailed follow-on

1771
01:18:10,220 --> 01:18:09,690
investigations if required now this is

1772
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:10,230
extraordinary

1773
01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:12,330
so the FAA had long gotten out of the

1774
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:14,580
UFO game they would they don't even talk

1775
01:18:18,140 --> 01:18:16,500
about it they they they just simply call

1776
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:18,150
it unidentified traffic and they deal

1777
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:19,500
with it in real time if it's an air

1778
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:21,930
safety threat right and you know we all

1779
01:18:26,050 --> 01:18:23,010
know what the United States Air Force

1780
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:26,060
think about UFOs after 1969 but here in

1781
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:29,490
1976 you've got this letter from the

1782
01:18:34,130 --> 01:18:32,370
Army the army obviously the the Air

1783
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:34,140
Force would never write a letter to a

1784
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:36,090
civilian like this but the army stuffed

1785
01:18:40,460 --> 01:18:38,730
up I think I mean it like I said I cite

1786
01:18:42,689 --> 01:18:40,470
again the agency responsible for

1787
01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:42,699
investigating reports of UFOs is

1788
01:18:46,739 --> 01:18:45,190
United States Air Force and the US Air

1789
01:18:48,020 --> 01:18:46,749
Force coordinate their investigations

1790
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:48,030
and findings with the Federal Aviation

1791
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,920
Administration and again in the case of

1792
01:18:54,029 --> 01:18:52,719
UFO incidents the US Air Force and

1793
01:18:55,589 --> 01:18:54,039
Federal Aviation Administration

1794
01:18:58,020 --> 01:18:55,599
accomplished detailed follow-on

1795
01:19:06,540 --> 01:18:58,030
investigations if required how much

1796
01:19:08,609 --> 01:19:06,550
clearer can you get well Paul I

1797
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:08,619
certainly do appreciate your coming on

1798
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:11,679
with us this morning love to chat longer

1799
01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:13,209
but unfortunately it's during the week

1800
01:19:17,879 --> 01:19:15,940
and James and I both do have to get out

1801
01:19:20,699 --> 01:19:17,889
the door and get on with our days but

1802
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:20,709
thanks for joining us you were fantastic

1803
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:24,159
and I'm sure we'll be in touch so is

1804
01:19:31,290 --> 01:19:26,409
more news comes up you'll keep us up to

1805
01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:31,300
date by all means check out Paul's

1806
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:34,920
website documenting the evidence

1807
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:37,449
documenting these UFOs documenting the

1808
01:19:42,839 --> 01:19:40,090
evidence we will absolutely have a link

1809
01:19:45,529 --> 01:19:42,849
to that site and you can go hog-wild

1810
01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:45,539
reading Paul's lengthy reports and

1811
01:19:52,529 --> 01:19:49,510
photos of the different documents that

1812
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:52,539
he references Paul thanks again and go

1813
01:20:00,509 --> 01:19:58,320
Richmond Tigers is that about right I

1814
01:20:02,759 --> 01:20:00,519
promised Paul before the show that I

1815
01:20:04,890 --> 01:20:02,769
wouldn't talk about my new favorite

1816
01:20:06,949 --> 01:20:04,900
sport Australian rules football and I

1817
01:20:16,469 --> 01:20:06,959
kept to my word right up to the end

1818
01:20:17,580 --> 01:20:16,479
Savage absolutely blood everywhere

1819
01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:17,590
that's how it's done

1820
01:20:22,699 --> 01:20:20,289
all right appreciate it thanks a lot

1821
01:20:26,549 --> 01:20:22,709
Paul bye-bye

1822
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:26,559
all right and James I think we've got

1823
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:30,130
another successful show in the can oh no

1824
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:32,110
I got her I got a wrap-up I think I

1825
01:20:38,879 --> 01:20:35,409
think you let a boy Thank You Now boy